kazinator 17 hours ago

> Because it is difficult to assume what the best encoding will be for any given workload, database systems should dynamically choose encodings based on storage and workload characteristics.

It would be better just to take the storage requirement on the chin and not add a gratuitous variation in encoding which will bite you on the ass somehow (or someone else).

As much as possible, pick one way of doing one thing. Your stuff already has thousands of things to do. Each time you do something in two or more ways, you add combinations between that and surrounding things being done in two or more ways.

JdeBP 11 hours ago

> Because each element requires at least a 16 byte representation, both tiny and repeated short strings use more memory than they otherwise would.

In a wider view, that depends. If one is using a general-purpose heap for string storage and a 64-bit instruction set architecture, the heap is often aligning and padding out allocations to such multiples already.

thayne 19 hours ago

So... why are they called Getman strings?

  • mathieuh 19 hours ago

    https://datafusion.apache.org/blog/2024/09/13/string-view-ge...

    > The concept of inlined strings with prefixes (called “German Strings” by Andy Pavlo, in homage to TUM, where the Umbra paper that describes them originated) has been used in many recent database systems (Velox, Polars, DuckDB, CedarDB, etc.) and was introduced to Arrow as a new StringViewArray[^3] type. Arrow’s original StringArray is very memory efficient but less effective for certain operations. StringViewArray accelerates string-intensive operations via prefix inlining and a more flexible and compact string representation.

    Seems to be nothing more than they were invented at a German university. I spent quite some time thinking it had something to do with German’s sometimes-SOV word order.

    • andai 17 hours ago

      Here is the paper in question:

      Umbra: A Disk-Based System with In-Memory Performance

      https://db.in.tum.de/~freitag/papers/p29-neumann-cidr20.pdf

      Section 3.1 covers string handling.

      This article (also linked from tfa) explains German strings in more detail.

      https://cedardb.com/blog/german_strings

      • chombier 11 hours ago

        my tl;dr: after reading the article:

        - two 64-bits words representation

        - fixed, 32 bits length

        - short strings (<12 bytes) are stored in-place

        - long strings store a 4 byte prefix in-place + pointer to the rest

        - two bits are used as flags in the pointer to further optimize some use-cases

    • aleph_minus_one 18 hours ago

      > I spent quite some time thinking it had something to do with German’s sometimes-SOV word order.

      If you refer to subclauses in the German language: here the rule is rather "the finite verb is at the end of the subclause".

      • yorwba 15 hours ago

        It also applies to infitives and participles and the verb in nominalized noun-verb compounds. So the rule is closer to "the verb is at the end of its grammatical unit, except for the finite verb in a main clause, which appears in second position." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V2_word_order

      • kaladin-jasnah 15 hours ago

        I think this is also called V2 word order.

        • aleph_minus_one 12 hours ago

          V2 word order (finite verb comes second) is what is used in main clauses.

    • jandrewrogers 18 hours ago

      This general string format style has been invented many times over the decades. Unfortunately, we seem to need to relearn the tradeoffs each time.

  • on_the_train 17 hours ago

    They aren't. They're called German style strings. People just like to clickbait and prey on curiosity of techies.

dekhn a day ago

did the hacker news title editor change the "mit" to "MIT"?

  • asubiotto a day ago

    Seems like it. Changed it back!

    • dang 21 hours ago

      Oops, sorry.

      • Tadpole9181 21 hours ago

        Haha, is that automated or was someone trying to be helpful?

        • dang 18 hours ago

          It's automated. And of course it's usually right, but the wrong cases stand out like sore thumbs.